Vegetarian Alternatives

(other meat and replacement alternatives)

other alternatives - American but we have similar products in Australia Including Zoglos, Santiarium etc

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ZOGLOS (sorry no web link)
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Try the Schnitzels and the burgers.
Their sausages/burgers have a more 'meaty' taste to them if you miss meat. Their schnitzels are the best!

I've found them in IGA stores and some coles stores - frozen goods section


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SANTARIUM
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Probably the most well known Aussie brand for veggie products.

My fave products are:

Sausage roll mix (hard to find now - comes in a small box) Its very strong but if you add vegetables you can make your own pasties, patties etc.



BBQ sausages - I used to make up a veggie casserole with brown onion gravy mix in some tomato sauce and some soy sauce, when cooked add pre pan fried cut up sausages to make a sausage casserole - this is such comfort food for winter for the whole family. The sausages come in many flavours by the way including curry and chicken...

Deli slices - great on sandwiches

Bacon (we call it FAKon) - even meat eaters have loved this when I have used it. I dont pan fry it - I nuke it for low fat content but if you need a prtein snack a couple of these are really tasty!

NOT burgers - delish but be warned these are very oily and try not to add any oil to your pan when cooking - cook low and slow.


Their Deli Rolls (like one of those luncheon rolls) are nice - my partner loves these and he is a meat eater - her prefers it to salami etc its high protein and he cuts it up and puts it in his salads. If you are a deli roll family - try this and don't tell anyone its veggie - the deli rolls with meat have so much rubbish in them they don't even taste like meat so I will bet you that they wont even know its veggie :)

Schnitzels are nice but not as good as Zoglos IMO (I think they changed their recipe)

Lentil patties - these are nice for a wholefood flavour and a bit healthier but not as much protein.

I don't like their TVP, nor their bagged deli minces - I think they're awful!

Found at most stores including Woolworths


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Odds and sods..
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This is probably the best ever product for my taste buds.. but it is notoriously difficult to hunt down in WA...


EATWELL products
Vegetable Salami (Australian Eatwell) (vegan)
Description: Vegetarian salami
Features: 99% fat-free; 0% cholesterol; dairy free; source of fibre
Varieties: Sundried Tomato & Cracked Pepper; Mixed Vegetable
Available from most supermarkets (refrigerated). For an exact list of stockists please call Australian Eatwell on 1300 780 232 (I'm gonna call 'em :))

They also have yummy sausages with a more health food wholesome tasty flavour - kind of a nice vegetable mixture sausage flavour rather than meat - great for those who are veggie because they don't like meat flavour/texture. These are delicate so be gentle in the pan - taste great squished in a roll or wrap for those who can eat bread :) Their lentil patties (vacuum sealed clear pack) are delightful - again vegetable and bean tasty without meat replacements for those who like the veggie flavours instead (I like both and these still go down a treat)



FRY's products
Also great - very meaty flavour for those missing the ol' meat taste (and before anyone says why not eat meat then - there are many reasons for being veggie - animal care is one of them - why have meat when there is a high protein alternative that tastes just as good??)- frozen goods section. Readily available in VIC occasionally in WA.



SOYCO products
Marinated Tofu's the satay is delish!!

Beijing Soyabean products
I love their TOFU - they are the best at this product with a variety of marinades - garlic, honey soy, satay etc I found them in some coles stores in vacuum sealed clear packs in the veggie deli section.

These images etc are taken from : Vegetarian Network Victoria - its worth checking them out :)

Recipes : Veggie Mince (whole food stage)

VEGGIE ALTERNATIVES TO MEAT
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I have tried the sanitarium mince and I hate it :) I use VTP/tvp -AVAILABLE AT MOST HEALTH SHOPS -(santiarium use to make them actually also but they're not the best)

It's sometimes called TVP or VTP "Vegetable Textured Protein" and its VERY high in protein very low in fat. It is a soy extracted protein and its dehydrated and looks kind of like cereal at first. You add in 1 cup of HOT stock per one cup of TVP - let sit for 5 mins.





image from http://community.livejournal.com/vegancooking/tag/ethnic+food-italian-pasta


image from: http://nowheyjose.com/2007/11/
their recipe: http://nowheyjose.com/recipes/meatballs-italiano/

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USES (after prepared with the stock):
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Add to a heated jar of pasta sauce for your spag bog (trust me, not many people can tell the difference!)

Add in a pan to a small amount of olive oil, onions, some peas, beans and corn. Fry. Add some tomato sauce and a bit of soy and fry until crispy looking you can also add some curry - this is a great alternative to a turkish style mince.

Mix 2 cups of prepared TVP with:
-a cup of whole wheat bread crumbs,
-2 cloves of garlic (more if you like) and one capsicum and one onion chopped finely and pre fried,
-4 tblspns grated parmesan,
-2 tbslspns tomato sauce
-1 tblsnp soy sauce
- and one egg.
(add fave spices if you like!)

Mix well, make into rissoles or burgers and press into more crumbs, spray with o'oil spray and either bake or fry (if frying do it at a low heat because you haven't added much oil to fry in) I call these protein bombs because they are very high in protein!! 2 should give you a great protein amount for the day.


The sky is the limit with TVP - things to avoid is allowing it to 'boil' for long periods in sauce (it goes a bit bleh when over soaked). I add a prepared batch straight to my simmered pasta sauce and turn the heat off. But you could use it in cannelloni filling, burgers, bakes, 'meat' loafs.. its pretty yummy too


some recipe links for VTP:

Home Made breakfast sausage patties (VEGAN)

VTP Taco's


Spaghetti and TVP meatballs

DAY 14.

Things are much much better. My Uncle called yesterday who has had the operation - I really don't get to speak to him much and besides being a fantastic bloke he was really supportive. It was great to hear about someone else's experience first hand where I could ask questions as they arose.

The pain is really manageable and I have almost no pain now besides some discomfort sitting at the computer for too long and some discomfort sleeping the wrong way or twisting my torso to the left .. it's that darn port everyone keeps mentioning in their own journeys!

I feel in much better spirits and much more myself - also I started mushies!!! YAY! I can't say how much of a relief that's been however I am finding I am REALLY hungry. Gonna have to ask the dietician about that (see both her and the surgeon on Friday next week)

Day 10. 119 kg

I had a rough hurdle with a bit of port pain but over all yesterday was minor pain and today is even better - I can get up and down with minimal pain and I find I am having to think less about how I move which is just fantastic! It's making me feel more like me again :)

I have felt hungry a few times but it's not as much as a big deal as it used to be - now I just have a bit of soup and I'm fine. I find water or juice fills me up. My weakness - juice. It's so tasty compared to water and I have to watch that.

Easter was a bit difficult mainly because I didn't want to go to Easter lunch with my partner and his family. They are not the most boundary respecting people and I couldn't bare the possible onslaught of questions about how much I have lost etc. The main reason for not going however was that I think its torture no less to sit with a bunch of people eating normal food. Just wasn't somewhere I wanted to put myself right now. Was a little lonely but my darling didn't stay long and it was nice to have him back home - my naughty today was that I sucked on 2 of those tiny eggs and a Lindt mini bunny ear and bum :D Very bad. But gee - I enjoyed it!

I am having some problems with some existing issues like my numb leg thing (doesn't normally happen often and so harsh because I am more mobile usually) and my right hip which I have no clue what's wrong with it but its getting to the time when I have to check it out - keeps me up at night.

Above all - major issues to contend with right now: Keeping on top of fibre ;) - my hip - and my energy levels. Not a bad point to be at though!

Day 6 same weight

Apparently my Dietician says the weight wont be reliable because of water retention during this phase but I cant help but look!!!

I am having a difficult time sleeping from pain - I also have a weird existing thing ever since I was in hospital last with I think nerve damage to my left thigh. If I lay on my back in a certain way or for too long it goes numb and its been numb since I got out of hospital. I realised just how far hospital beds have come because it wasnt so bad in there. So, if I lay on my back my leg is numb to the point where I get ice pick senstations (painful) if I lay on my right side my left arm (which is my sore wrist side) goes numb and I cant yet lay on my left side or tummy so that leave me eternally uncomfortable :/ I can't wait until I can get a good nights sleep. I think it will have to be naps rather than full nights.

The Panadine Forte that they prescribed helps me sleep a little but I have nightmares from it - odd huh!

I feel in better spirits though and am about to make my soy protein shots so I hope they taste alright and better yet - hope they go down smoothly!

Nose bleeding has slowed down though I am getting snot attacks in the middle of the night lol. They come from nowhere and I (must off load about a bucket full - ok exaggerating but 4 tissues later and its starts to subside...wonder what that's about?!)

Day 5. Updates....

I called people - got answers.

I called the pathologist and they did screw up the test - they missed some blood work and wanted me to go back. I told them - thanks but I would call my Dr first.

I called the Dr's and at first (probably because I was quite distraught at that stage) they were a bit defensive and a little cold about it all. I explained the stress I was feeling and that my wrists were to sore to get more bloods and she agreed that I would be pushing it to get more blood right now. The secretary I think realised I was on the edge and a bit at the mercy of my body. With in minutes the nurse called me who was supposed to call me 2-3 days after op but didn't. (I don't feel animosity towards her because if someone gets missed off a list it is almost always me so I gather I just went under the radar). The nurse was great - apparently the excess bruising and the nose bleeds are due to a sensitivity to heparin (blood thinner). I still can clearly see they had a hard time with my veins so that didn't help. Next time around my anaesthetist will get the whole story - "I have a sensitivity to heparin, small veins, do a cut cut down if you cant tap a vein ppppaaaahLEEEEZ" Last time I was in surgery which was many moons ago, they couldn't tap a vein so they did a cut down in my ankle and the healing time ironically was much much faster.

Anyway, the nurse gave me great advice and it really calmed me down. I felt like a lot of what I was feeling was normal and the delays in healing only due to the heparin and the hernia and that it was very ok to be feeling under par. So.. hopefully tomorrow is better.

I then got a call from the dietician who was great - she told me amongst some great advice for nourishment and care, that the good news was that my cholesterol was great, no probs with blood sugar etc that I had very healthy blood work (so the pathology unit got some of the blood taking right). Everyone advised to forget the extra tests for now and worry about it when I have my first appointment with the surgeon.

For anyone out there reading this that has after care concerns, call people. I let it get to boiling point before I did because the medical industry makes you feel so silly for asking - but I am so glad I did. Demand that someone cares about you! and try to hear that little voice saying "you deserve to be cared for by these people"

It pays to get your surgeon BEFORE the surgery to tell you what after care exactly you can expect - what is their after-care protocols.

I wrote in my post in the Lap Band surgery forum, a list on what to ask about on top of your own list in terms of after care...

* To know pre op what after op contact I can expect
* To have phone numbers and an "Its OK to call us" statement from Dr's Dieticians and after care expert like a nurse or something
* Ideally I would have liked to have heard from my dietician after day 2 (on day 3) because thats when you are starting to experience the shock of liquids and problems of certain liquids. So ask if your dietician can call you 2-3 days post op to check on you.

Day 5. 121.6 kg :/ wrists worse

OK I had a big cry last night in bed. I got a letter from the pathologists saying I needed to have my bloods taken again so someone probably screwed up somewhere. My right wrist is KILLING me and I had to even take a pain killer for it. I consider myself to have a high pain threshold (I once walked around for a fair while with a broken toe thinking it was just a bit 'off') but this is just getting me down. When I got that letter, I had just gone to sit down and placed my weight on my right hand stretching my supposed artline site and I felt something tear - then I had with in minutes more darkness around that area. There is a white area around the injection points (all 9 of them) that is very very painful to touch. It has been extra sore ever since I used it and it even hurts to type. BUT I am determined to get this off my chest.

That letter made me furious. If any of these people saw my arms right now, a WHOLE 6 DAYS after the op - they would feel mighty guilty about sending me back to some incompetent person with a needle. I can not bare to have a needle near my arms right now and the thought is making me feel physically ill.

I thought a lot about it last night and I honestly think the second anaesthetist I was introduced to as "He is going to sit in" was training. I honestly believe he used me as a pin cushion. Fair enough, I have difficult veins and its the best way for these people to learn but I can not help but feel a couple of things here:

*ANYONE should be asked if its ok iof people train on them

*It may be routine surgery to them but to me? it's the first time I have experienced anything like this.

*There is a real person on the end of that needle and she actually feels quite real pain and discomfort.

This whole thing has left me feeling like I am a pay packet to the medical profession and that really - none of them actually care. I am so angry that I am going to call 3 people today - My surgeon to ask why he needs blood and to stick that request, the anaesthetist to ask if the sit in was in training, and the pathologist to ask why my bloods were re-requested.

I quite honestly have had enough of these people. I know my surgeon is kind, I watched him with the woman next to me - I know the anaesthetist was sweet and gentle but why the hell do my wrists look like I have been tortured still at day 6????
My dietician was very sympathetic and helpful but why did she never call me back when I told them I had stomach and bowel cramps from the optifast? None of these people care about me - really. I have stopped telling my partner about this stuff and I slept in the other room last night because I knew how upset I was. I think he thinks I am being over the top but wow, I really do feel like none of this from the medical profession has been about helping me. The only time people call me is if they are worried about payment.

Quite angry and upset today. These bruises aren't normal and I should have to pretend to everyone that its ok.